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University of New MexicoUNM Digital Repository1974The Daily Lobo 1971 - 19808-28-1974New Mexico Daily Lobo, Volume 078, No 4, 8/28/1974University of New MexicoFollow this and additional works at: https://digitalrepository.unm.edu/daily lobo 1974Recommended CitationUniversity of New Mexico. "New Mexico Daily Lobo, Volume 078, No 4, 8/28/1974." 78, 4 (1974).https://digitalrepository.unm.edu/daily lobo 1974/84This Newspaper is brought to you for free and open access by the The Daily Lobo 1971 - 1980 at UNM Digital Repository. It has been accepted forinclusion in 1974 by an authorized administrator of UNM Digital Repository. For more information, please contact disc@unm.edu.

( !i,AHardKnight'sDaySee the quixotic storyon page2(Photo by Diane Roa)Ne\N Mexico ccuuDAILY.ct!Wednesday, August 28, 1974PIRG Overspends-·Will Ask Senate AidChairman of P/RG, Ed Coles id the bills were incumJd for agood caull!, but, ''Theil! are ourdebts and it's on our shoulders tomake tht111! debts good, and wewill do it."By MICHAEL O'CONNORHe said the budget waaThe Public Interest Research ovenpent before the PJRG boardGroup (PIRG) will ask the of directors was elected JutASUNM Senate tonight to apring.,11approve a bill would would coverWe felt we had only one shothalf the debt. they incurred last at making thiA thing work,u Coleaspring when they overapent their aid. uwe feJt we had to do it."budget."These are our debts,'' he said.Louis Tempkin, sponsor of the "It's on our shoulders to makePJRG bill, said the organization thete debts good and we will doowed 1100 to various it."Albuquerque busineues. TheAnnetta Barnes, a aenator whoPIRG bill uka tor 550 to helpvoieedoppoeition to PIRG lastdefray these budget overruns.year,saidshe would support the11We've met with the ASUNMbillasrecommendedby theFinance Committee," said EdCommittee.Coles., chairpenon of PIRG, Finanee11The overrun was poorly twhieh gave our bill a do pus'timed,"Barnes said, "but I thinkrecommendation for the aenate toit's fair that they be helped."pay halt the overrun.""We can pay it becauae we payColea aid PIRG went over theirallocation during their intensive for a lot of other things thataren't as valuable,., she said.promotional campaign.11Dames &aid she now thoughtWe had a feeling we wereoverspending, but there wu no the idea of a PJRG at UNM was aone keepingon our funds," good one.Colea said he welcomed thehe aaid. "We had no way ofgetting our finger on how much support of Senator Barnes."There has been some h01tilitywe were spending."fromsome mem ben of theM01t of the money wu spenton advertising in the LOBO, aenate," he said, . but I think it'sduplicating and xeroxing te"ices just poor communication." we need the support ofand mailings, Colea aaid.ta.Tenure IssueTo Be HeardBy GAIL GO'M'LIEBfaculty at. their meeting lastT h e F a c u It y Po I i c y May, but due to lack of time,Committee. meets today to the last five items on thediscuss whether the findings of agenda were postponed untit ·the "tenure task force" should · the first meeting this fall,·be included on the agenda forpending reappro'\'al by theFaculty Policy Committee.the general faculty meeting onSept. 10.Vice President ChesterThe tenure task force Travelstead said, uwe are notconducted an examination of · ·now develot ing any kind ofthe various asl)ects of tenure new faculty contracts, nor dolast yearj including the ·we intend to introduce anypossibility or three year termkind of new contract at thecontracts, teaching. contracts Set tember .10 faculty meeting.that would exclude the We did discuss a thr(!(! yearpossibility· of tenure. Theirterm contract with thefindings were intended to beAcademic Freedom and TenureII. discussed by the gen ral(Continued on page 6) everybody," Coles said, "so we'vebeen trying to reconeile these badfeelings."Colea -.id that PIRG tried toget the bill paued three timesduring the senate's aummeroperation. He said they met twicewith the senate but no actioncould be taken on the bill becausea quorum was not reached eithertime.PIRG and the senate met athird time when a quorum wasreached, but the meetingadjourned before the PIRG billwas discussed.uwe are not going in theretomorrow night expecting tp getthe money from ASUNM," Colesaaid. "We are sort of throwingounel es on the aenate's mercy."He &aid that with the board ofdirecton elected by the uniwnitystudent., PIRG should not havethis problem again. we incurred theae bills tor agood cauae that we now feel weare cl01e to," Colea said.11lt the aenate will help us, weare going to try to raise the otherhalf through some kind offuqd-raiaing activity,'' he said.,1l.Senator Annetta Bames, whooppoll!d P/RG last year: "We canpay it becaUII! we pay for a lot ofother things that aren't astiBiuable.,Committee BaCks BoycottBy JOE MONAHANThe Human ResourcesCommittee of the AlbuquerqueCity council voted 3·2 Thursdayto recommend to the full councilthat aU lettuce and grape & notproduced by the United FarmWorkers be boycotted by the city.The action came in the form of amemorial ·which said 11 ft is theduty of elected public ofticiaJg topreserve, protect, and pr unotehuman rights." 11te resolution wasbrought to the committee'sattention by the AlbuquerqueBoycott CommitteE! (ABC) whichworks in conjunction with theUnited Farm Workers.The boycott is an effort by theUFW to get election & for farmworkers so they can decide whichunion will represent them. The1ast election was held in 1966 and )'I won by the Teamster's Union.Martin Chavez, head of the ABCcalled the eJection a 11fraud''because the workers were · notgiven proper notification" orwhen the eleetion was takingplace.·Council President and UNMprofessor, Jack Kolbert,sponsored the memorial. He saidit would be "callous neutrality onthe part of the council to neglectthe issue."CounciUor Kenneth Rex ofdistrict 8 said he had somequestions C()ncerning thel'elevance of the issue tc the citybut he decided to vote for itbecause of the humanitarianaspect involved . Councillor Robert Poole saidthe city had "no business in thisma ttel' because it involved ajurisdictional t1ist ute between twounions."Over 100 peop)e were inattendance at the meeting. OVer25 people spoke before thecommittee and only one or thesespoke against adoption of thememorial.Antonio Mendez echoedPoole s belief that the city had nointeregt in the matter. Mendez,who serves as the public relationsconsultant for the Teamsters'Union, also claimed that electionsfor the farmworkers would beheld when the current contractruns out in 1976. Mendez'sopinion was clearly in the. .minority. ·.After Mendez was throughspeaking,· Antonio Mondragon,chairman of Chicano studies atUNM, to1d the committee that theTeamsters' Union was .supportingslavery." Mondragon said the(Continued dn fJilge 6)

Drop That word ·oaf; Resistance Is. FeudalBy JOHN RUGKERThe clang of metal on metal ushered in areturn to the Middle Ages in a small section ofAlbuquerque this past weekend.The Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA),a chartered ASUNM org ization, held amedieval tournament at Spruce Park Sundaywhich featured period music, costumery andmayhem.The mayhem was provided by approximately ·one dozen men-at-arms who demonstrated theirproficiency with a panoply of simulated medievalweapons in single combat. The gladiators laidinto each other with gusto, cleaving and hewingin a frenzy of bloodlust in the best tradition ofViking berserkers or Attila the Hun.Rattan (a light wood) is substituted for steel inthe weapons, but in weight and ba[ance they arerealistic. AI'though bruises are common, seriousdamage in melees is rare, owing both to thedefensive armor worn and sturdy shields.Nostalgia has become a craze in recent years,but the lO year-old Society extends theseparameters farther than any organizationpreviously known. The SCA is concerned onlywith civilizations existing before 1650. The mostcommon emphasis is on the Middle Ages,although Greeks and Romans are not unknown.The Society reflects this medieval flair in itsorganization, which is set up like a feudalhier11fchy. A national board of directors oversees·four kingdoms, the Southwest being located in the kingdom f Atenveldt with its headquartersat Phoenix. Each kingdom is in turn divided intobaronies and under the baronies come shires, ·thebasic unit of the Society.·Although lower level offices are appointive orelective, the kingship is fought for. Kings.comeand go, but there is an underlying administration(the seneschals) to maintain continuity.Naturally, the most cherished virtue of theSCA is chivalry. All fighters who aspire toknighthood need to be adept at chess, heraldry,·medieval dance and the art of courtly love inaddition to the' martial arts. Feminists mayobject, but women are put on a pedestal, and arealways treated with the utmost respect. Ladies inreturn offer their favors (either in the form ofhandkerchieves or more private nocturnalrewards) to be worn by their champions."The whole idea behind the SCA is to recreate.the Middle Agea as realistically as possible," saidone young hardy, "and this includes costumes,music, dancing, food and entertainment. In themore successful events, we're able to blot out thetwentieth century entirely,"Renouncing the twentieth. century, at least fora weekend, is the aim of most members. "Ofcourse we don't idolize the Middle Ages," opinedone lady, "but we would like to reconstructthem as they sho!lld have been. The pageantryand chivalry appeaJ to me. It's a good way toescape all the confusion of today and take on adifferent identity."In creating a total look, members assume newnames and costumes which reflect the culture oftheir interest. Sample names present were GormGatespear, Mixhaxa of Morktorn, Theorderic apBrekenbeaken, · Yukio No Yamaguchi and Ivanthe Gross.Besides combat, which can take place ingroups of two or two hundred, the SCA attractsthe most attention from its distinctive costumes."Mundane clothing" (everyday clothes) arediscouraged at tournaments, and costumes can beextremely intricate, ranging from single togas toelaborate gowns.A frequent source of student complaint oncampus is that there are no classes ororganizations specifically aimed at WASPs. Forthese studenbl, the SCA can be seen as a sort ofAnglo·Saxon studies group, where the historyand customs of their Anglo-Teutonic ancestorsare practiced and preserved.Activities are many and varied. Weaving,construction and playing of medieval andrenaissance musical instrumenbl, and the brewingand consumption of mead (an extremely potenthoney beer), not to mention the fine art ofmedieval cooking combine to create a totalmedieval atmosphere, and SCA revels, acombination of a banquet, concert, dance andarts and crafts show, are gala events. The local SCA chapter, the Shire of al·Barran,is planning a series of tournaments and revels tobe held in Albuquerque and Santa Fe in comingmonths.For those with an interest in ancient, medievalor even fantasy situations, be they serf orseigneur, lord or lady, Moslem or Crusader, theSCA would seem to be well worth investigating.Potential members were urged to contact Illi(Ray) at 255-5686."We can't promiSe rape, pillage and plunderfor every member," quoth Dli, "but we canguarantee that anyone with a love of moreuncomplicated times willl'ind their own niche."(Photos by Diane Ross)The gladiators (above) laidinto each other with gusto,cleaving and hewing in afrenzy of bloodlust. 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,Daily LoboI LettersEditorialsOpinionsPerspect1veA Good ModelGone BadHigh Cost of ResearchIn the TVA's instance, however, the 6.75-an-hour charge wasleveled against Jim Branscome of Letcher County, Kentucky's"Mountain Eagle" weekly newsp aper because, one suspects, theAuthority's authorities knew that these rates were too high to be paidby a small country newspaper-or by reporter Branscome, who mustlive off a stipend from the Southern Regional Council, a not-for-profit,do-goodish organization. Nor is there any way around the charge. Evanssays that it is quite impossible to allow Branscome in the files to do hisown research work. And they wonder why some journalists write lies.It wasn't lies but the truth that got TVA tq, lower the Freedom ofInformation Act on Branscome. He had been writing about AubreyWagner, the Authority's chaitman, fighting for a continuation ofstrip-mining and a weakening of the Mine Health and Safety Act. Asource inside the TVA told Branscome of a plan to strip-mine the RedBird coal tract in Daniel Boone National Forest, a project that wouldhave the spin·off advantage of affording tourists a nice, deep,convenient flat place to set their air-conditioned campers and trailers.Next came the case of Hawk Littlejohn; a Cherokee Indian whoseactions have been less than supportive of the TVA's Tellico Damproject, waters of which will cover the remains of Enchota, the capitalcity of Littlejohn's ancestors. Branscome's journalistic archeology hasbrought to light the fact that the AuthoritY's police force is keepingsome kind of a file on Hawk Littlejohn, and that this file containsmaterial of a private nature that has no. business in a governmentdocument.No Longer AcceptableThe TVA is positive in its assertion that. it doesn't keep dossiers onits critics. Public Information Officer Evans says that the data collectedon Littlejohn was only for the purpose of being able to refute him inpubl,ic debate. In another period such an unqualified statement by anofficial spokesman might have been accepted, bot not these days.The TVA's case isn't helped by the fact that its board hasn't held anopen meeting in 41 years. "The board makes it own rules as to itsconduct," says Evans, who adds that, although there has been someinformal discussion of going public, he doesn't think it's very likely.Even though the President appoints the three-man board, this is oneyou can't blame on Nixon. The board was running what has become thelargest power company in America on this kind of private,no-peek·a·boO basis back in the days when the President was gaining hisimperfect knowledge of our Constitution in the Duke Law School. ·No, the design of the TVA was set during the New Deal. Then itrepresented the ·government's going to the people in the best Way the1930s could conceive. Whether it has grown too big or too old, itsgovernance is vulnerable to the most serious criticisms in the 1970s-yetit remains the organizational model for such failures as the new,not reformed Post Office, as well as other still·unlegislated proposals oflarge consequence in fields like energy and transportation.Copyright, 1974, The Washington Post-King Features Syndicate""' Letters------:--1Only In America ;S ,. ' 8· G :a By NICHOLAS VON HOFFMANWASHINGTON (KFS)- The Tennessee Valley Authority, once theoriginator of many good ideas but now long since gone to·sleep; hascome up with an innovative wrinkle. It is now charging people forinformation about its operations. For every hour a clerk must spendchecking the files for data, the inquirer is billed 6.75.By way of explanation, Paul Evans, TVA's public informationofficer, says, "We are relatively new in complying with the Freedom ofInformation Act, but when it starts to intrude on our regular operationswe have to do· something."The idea of having gO'vernment age cies charge for the news they p.utout is so startling we might dismiss it without considering its merits.One of the reasons that the media is clogged with inconsequential junk,which neither entertains nor informs, is that we get all our stuff free. Ifwe had to pay for information, economics would force us to exercise amore stringent selectivity. Would we print the cartloads of stuff andfeathers that Ron Ziegler has been dumping on ys for years if we had topay for it? Another benefit is that, if government agencies andpoliticians thought they could profit by selling news, they would havean incentive to offer a higher- uality product than the saw !lust theycurrently give away.I.I'SPEAKING OF AMNESTY, I'D ALSO LIKE A CHANCE TO EARN MY W,Y lACK INTO SOCIOY .'Fifth ColThe "Fifth Column" is written by variousmembers of the Marxist Workers Collective atUNM. Starting today, it will appear on .the"Perspective" page every WedneSday.At some point every student must questionthe value of university education. The value ofthe university for the individual and the largerrole the university plays within the whole ofsociety are no longer as clear and definite as theyonce were. Thus, today, such questions mustelicit many confused and uncertain answers.In times past the university's function wassimpler: it was primarily to train the children ofthe bourgeoisie. An institution for the privileged,the university schooled the minds of the sonsand, occasionally, even the daughters of theruling class. As a result, the educational programwas simpler: inculcation of bourgeois values andculture. The older institutions of higher learning,barring entrance to those without the "right"family connections, functioned effectively toreproduce the social relations of bourgeoissocietY.Clearly, the role of the university is no longerquite so unequivocal. Universities are stillnecessary to reproduce the system's socialrelations, but, for a number of reasons, thisfunction is performed less and less successfully.The increasingly complex development of themeans of production has necessitated a moreeducated, intellectually competent work force.Modern industry and technology demand greaterintellectual adaptability. This has opened thegates of higher learning to greater numbers ofwage earners. (However, though the university isno longer an exclusive club for the children ofthe bourgeoisie, it stHI retains its character as aninstitution of privilege.)This changed composition of the studentpopulation has created insoluble contradictions.nA large number of university graduates arefinding themselves underemployed, unable toprocure jobs that are not stultifying. The fact ofunderemployment may be expressed morecomprehensively by pointing out the primarycontradiction of the present educational system:it generates non-material needs that the socialsystem cannot supply. Education-at its best,that is-aims at developing the all-roundcapacities· of the individual. It is obvious thatindividuals thus educated will only reluctantlysubmit to the stultifying division of labor in oursociety, and discontent with this society mustswell.The university has travelled a long way sincethe days when it functioned so effectively inperpetuating and reproducing the oppression of. the bourgeois order. Today, it generates agrowing dissatisfaction With, and even oppositionto, the capitalist system and its class oppression.The intellectual .instruments of the bourgeoisieare more and more being turned against them asthey become more and more socialized. Theuniversity is proving itself effective in forging theintellectual weapons needed to engender andsupport the struggles of the oppressed.Students who see our society as it is, a racistand class·divided society of oppression andexploitation, must aid in further transformingour universities into institutions of liberation.The Marxist Worker's Collective, a student cellorganization, has been formed expressly to raisesocialist consciousness through study andideological struggle, .to appropriate theincreasingly socialized culture from thebourgeoisie and place it in the hands of students,workers and oppressed minorities.Students interested in the aims of the MWCare invited to an open meeting (time, date, .andlocation to be announced).MARXIST WORKER'S COLLECTIVEDOONESBURVby Garry Trudeau,, 1'\t' '·'tr'Qvet R.'t 110111SO If 711 1 .'5 ABIJI/f CIWIGIN6ANYT/I!NG :L YOUR NAMIP!rCAN 00 fOR. t(}()l(§ t!Kli A IJANYTHIN6 TYM6RAPII!CAtAT AU.lii?ROR.'-,I,)IJ/I, An Open LetterTo A New ColleagueWelcome, Bob, as a newly appointed AssistantProfessor of Economics in our department, As you walkaround the campus halls, buildings, plazas, whichimmortalize retired or dead administrators, 1 am sureyou are giving considerable thought as to what shouldbe your goal and your strategy for academic success.Please permit me, as a person who is slowly approachingthe end of his professional career, to give you some ofmy accumulated wisdom.(1)-You ought to be concerned, first, with yourappearance. This old rule should not be disr .J8rded.You may recall that the courtiers of Louis I politely hadtheir teeth removed in order to resemble the monarch asfar as possible, The rule here, which is followed by mostof our clever male instructors, is to have moderatelylong hair, with sideburns and occasionally a beard-not abushy one as on an orthodox rabbi, nor anunexp.ectedly long one as on the faces of Byzantineikons, but a small well-tended beard. Your appearance,in short, should forcefully express: "I am wide open tomodern ideas: nonetheless, I am not a member of thecounter-culture."(21-You may feel, as a newcomer here, that someresearch is expected from you which could lead topublished papers in scholarly journals. I should be bluntand honest with you: if research does not generate foryou a very personal pleasure, do not waste your timewith this involvement. For success, your course ofaction should be in line with current campus rhetoric,and at present this happens to be communityinvolvement. We should all educate the community andbe re-educated by the community. This poses you aproblem, I know, Your recent interests lie, as Iunderstand it, in the extensions of the abstract Koyckdistributed lag models. You may wonder whether, say, asenior citizens' meeting would yield an overflowingaudience to hear you speak on your subject. But do notdespair. A good knowledge of probability can be usefulfor many practical goals. You ought to concentrate, as 1see it, on the study of gambling. This will change thewhole outlook, and you will be demanded and admiredby the community. If you teach how to be successful inpoker or blackjack, you will be "relevant": and if yourdisciples should beat the dealer, you will become amuch-heralded scholar; you may be selected as anadministrator and probably'even a building or a parkingplace will be named after you. Another rule: drop a fewsarcastic remarks directed at our colleagues who, forunknown reasons, are still engaged in unsponsoredresearch and tinker with various abstract models.Explain their attitude by saying that it is only despairand idleness which generates this obvious misallocationof time. Make it clear that you forcefully reject thistype of behavior; call it "elitism,"(3)-Your future depends almost entirely on one successindicator, and that is "teaching competency," Thisimportant characteristic will determine whether you arepromoted or not, what your salary increments will be,and whether you rec.eive tenure. Thus, what should youdo? To get a high evaluation, you ought to retell, in awell-organized manner, ideas and Insights produced byothers, which are recorded in the current te 1tbooks .Ifyou have some old-fashioned ideas about co/legeteaching-that this should be devoted in a changing timeto the ever-advancing exploration of the unknown bypersons who are bent on discoveries-please forget thismost reactionary stance. It is also helpful to start someselected class meetings with the question: "What shouldwe discuss today?" With this method, you score twopoints at once. First, you will be admired as a personequipped to handle every possible question: second, youwill be commended for encouraging studentparticipation. This latter, you must know, is consideredextremely Important. Therefore, you shouldoccasionally conduct a living-room type conversation,Bring up birth control, the problems of the West Mesa,the shame of Watergate, the role of academics inAlbuquerque's city council, the current increase in rape,just to mention a few suitable topics. You simply shouldpoint out to possible critics lin fact, nobody would dareto criticize you) that these are relevant problems inwhich the students are interested in our dramatic times,and you are here to serve the students, This will shutevervbody up. In your classrooms, you should act moreas a politician than as an instructor. Do not forget: youraim is to receive a high evaluation and to build up agroup of loyal followers who will raise hell if yourtenure happens to be denied by the old-fashioned guardin our department. To achieve this goal somebackslapping helps and also to know the names ofcurrent companions. Grades? Well, in our department Ido not encourage giving all A's, We are still not as goodas, say, the College of Education. But, if you follow thesimple rule: "90 per cent A's and B's," you are on thesafe side and you will be also adored by your students.(4)-For a successful adjustment, please observe asymptom that I find rather interesting, In our state,insects, snakes, re tiles, are becoming more and morevenomous because of the hot sun. The teachingprofession in New Mexico follows just the oppositepattern. The good climate, our most. important fringebenefit, gradually makes us harmless and tame. You willspot us sitting beside the windows and staring over ourclosed notes toward the Sandias, warmed by the sun,which here often forgets that it is winter.To conclude, do not waste a moment of your time invain dreams of scholarly excellence. You know,Gresham's law works, i.e., if policy-makers encouragethe circulation of bad money, then good money goes inhiding,One should take these things philosophically,however. Academi achievements, with the passing oftime, do not seem to be so desirable or important as Ithought when I was in your shoes.I hope you will have thecourage and the fairness topublish this letter to present mvside of the story. If you do not, Ican only believe that Mis5 GailGottlieb's sole purpose ininterviewing me was to present aone-sided story. However, I feelyou are capable of constructivejournalism and, therefore, I trustyou will publish this letter topresent my view in the matter.As to Miss Gottlieb's remarkso I my physical appearance, Icould make some ratherunfavorable comments about herphysical attributes; but since noone is perfect in this world andsince we must accept each otheras individuals, further discussionwould serve no useful purpose. Ican onlY believe that MissGottlieb wrote, and you printed,that portion of the article todrum up sympathy against usmean old landlords.In your article you have in bigprint that "You wouldn't believethe way they live. Really. Theylive like animals. Drugs, needles,everything. Honestly, likeanimals." That was taken out ofcontext and referred to one of thestudents in one of the units I ownin the UniversitV area who was ondrugs and made a shamble of theplace. What Miss Gottli

Viking berserkers or Attila the Hun. the Gross. Rattan (a light wood) is substituted for steel in Besides combat, which can take place in . ·medieval dance and the art of courtly love in For those with an interest in ancient, medieval addition to the' martial arts. Feminists may or even fantasy situations, be they serf or object, but women .