Admissions And Registration - Trinity Western University

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Admissions andRegistrationTrinity Western University desires to provide, for people ofany race, ethnicity, or creed, a university education in thearts and sciences with an integrated Christian world view.Each applicant should be acquainted with theaims, objectives, regulations, and standards ofconduct at Trinity Western University as outlinedin the application materials, the AcademicCalendar, Student Handbook, and Universitywebsite. In making formal application foradmission, the applicant agrees to respect theseaims and objectives and to adhere to theseregulations and standards of conduct.The University reserves the right to grant, deny, orrevoke the admission of any applicant or studenton the basis of his or her inability to fully committo and comply with the University’s StudentHandbook and/or policies and guidelines of theUniversity. Further, the University reserves theright to grant or deny admission to any applicanton the basis of criteria outlined below. Limitationof facilities, personnel, or other considerationsmay also place restrictions on admission to theUniversity and/or specific programs.Privacy of Student RecordsIn accordance to the British Columbia PersonalInformation Protection Act, Trinity WesternUniversity respects the confidentiality and privacyof student records and will not release informationwithout the student’s consent, unless otherwiserequired by law. The security and protection ofstudent records and information is of utmostimportance to associated staff and faculty of TWUand procedures and protocol are in place tosupport this.Academic SuccessFor academic success at Trinity WesternUniversity, students must take the appropriatebackground courses for their intended major oradmission to the program may be deferred.Contact the Admissions Office for moreinformation: 604.513.2019, toll free at1.888.GO.TO.TWU (468.6898),admissions@twu.ca, orhttps://www.twu.ca/admissions-aidIn general, a B average (70 per cent) or higher inhigh school course work is required for admissionto TWU (except for the School of Nursing, whichhas a higher grade average expected).Consideration is also given to the student’scharacter and career goals. Applicants who fail tomeet normal academic requirements are assessedindividually on their potential for success inuniversity studies. Additional conditions may beprescribed which must be fulfilled if admission isgranted.Writing CoursesThe University offers two Writing courses,WRTG 100 and WRTG 101, to develop students’foundational research, writing, and analytical skillsin order to facilitate success in all universitycourses. Writing 100 is designed for studentswhose native language is English; Writing 101 isdesigned for students who are speakers of otherlanguages or whose English education has beeninternational. All students must take a Writingcourse in their first semester of full-time study atTWU or upon completing 26 sem. hrs. of parttime study unless they have demonstratedproficiency in these areas according to the criterialisted below. Students must choose eitherWRTG 100 or WRTG 101 (not both) to fulfil theTWU Academic Writing Requirement (unlessexempt). See criteria for exemption.Two of the following courses, ENGL 101, 102,103 and 104, are compulsory during first year forall new full-time (12 or more sem. hrs.) students,or, if a WRTG course is required at the point ofadmission to the University, in the next twoconsecutive semesters following the successfulcompletion of WRTG 100 or 101. Students maynot take any of these WRTG or ENGL coursesconcurrently since each WRTG/ENGL coursebuilds on the previous one.Students who do not pass the WRTG course intheir first semester must register for the course inthe following semester. A third attempt at passinga Writing course can be made only with writtenpermission from the Registrar. Students must pass

a Writing course before proceeding to theappropriate English course in the followingsemester. Students who do not pass a Writingcourse on the third attempt will be required towithdraw.Students who pass WRTG 100 should register inENGL 103 the following semester, followed byENGL 104. Students who pass WRTG 101should register in ENGL 101 the followingsemester, ideally followed by ENGL 102, aliterature course with a global focus. However,after passing WRTG 101, students may choose tofollow the same path as students who have passedWRTG 100: ENGL 103, followed by ENGL 104.If students entering TWU directly from highschool meet at least one of the following criteriabefore beginning classes in their first semester atTWU, they will be exempted from the requiredWriting course and may choose to enroll directlyin English 103: a final grade of 73% (B) in BC English 12 orthe equivalent of BC English 12 a score of 570 or higher on the writingportion of the SAT a score of 23 or higher on the English portionof the ACTIf students transferring to TWU from anotherpost-secondary institution meet at least one of thefollowing criteria before beginning classes in theirfirst semester at TWU, they will be exemptedfrom the required Writing course and may enrolldirectly in English*: 67% (C ) in a post-secondary English coursefrom a recognized English-speaking postsecondary institution a completed Bachelor’s degree from arecognized English-speaking post-secondaryinstitutionIf transfer students do not have any postsecondary English credit, they will be assessed thesame as a student entering from high school.*if the Core English requirements have not already beensatisfied by transfer credits.Application DatesFall Semester Priority Admissions–March 1Priority Application for Financial Aid – March15Application for Nursing – February 28(Applications will be accepted after this date,subject to space availability)Priority deposit date (non-refundable) – May 1(students who submit deposit by May 1 receivefirst priority for course registration)On-campus housing application – May 15(Applications will be accepted after this date,subject to space availability). Deadline for studentsin residence to notify Housing of their intentionto move out for Spring semester is December 1.After December 1, there is no refund for thedeposit for Spring semester housing.Spring SemesterPriority Application Date – November 1Regular admission – Applications submittedafter December 1 will be considered as spaceallows.Priority deposit date (non-refundable) –November 1(students who submit deposit by November 1receive first priority for course registration)On-campus housing applications are considered asspace allows.Students must submit a completed applicationincluding all official transcripts and relateddocuments before an admissions decision is made.Students from outside North America mustsubmit an application fee of 150 before anadmissions decision can be made.Visiting CampusA campus visit program is available to provideprospective students with a thoroughunderstanding of what life and learning is like atTWU. Students are encouraged to attend one of

the scheduled Preview Weekends, Preview Days,or to arrange an individual campus tour. To learnmore about visiting TWU, or to register for a visit,go to twu.ca/visit or email visit@twu.caApplication ProcedureThe application for admission is online athttps://www.twu.ca/admissions-aidAfter the online application is complete, upload allsupporting documentation to the applicationportal or mail to:Trinity Western University Admissions, 22500University Drive, Langley, BC V2Y 1Y1Application Fee: Applications for students withcurrent addresses outside of North America mustbe accompanied by a 150 application fee.Learning DisabilitiesStudents with a disability who need assistance areencouraged to contact the Centre for AccessibleLearning (CAL) upon admission to TWU todiscuss their specific needs. All disabilities mustbe recently documented by an appropriatelycertified professional and include the educationalimpact of the disability along with recommendedaccommodations.Within the first two weeks of the semester,students must meet with their professors to agreeon accommodations appropriate to each class.For further information see the Students withDisabilities section in this Calendar.Orientation ProgramAn orientation program for all new studentsoccurs at the beginning of each semester for thefirst several weeks. The purpose of the extendedorientation program is to assist students inadjusting to university life. During this program,there are important discussions, instructions, andtests, making it imperative for all new students tobe present.NursingThe School of Nursing admits 60 students to theundergraduate program each fall. Admission isbased on acceptance to Trinity WesternUniversity, academic pre-requisites, nursingapplication, volunteer and work experience,references, and CASPer assessment score. Whileall applicants are considered, Canadian citizensand permanent residents will be given preference.Applications are due February 28. Currentstudents who wish to apply early must have theircompleted applications submitted by February 1.For complete information on admissionrequirements and processes, please see the Schoolof Nursing websiteResidence RequirementTrinity Western University is committed toproviding on-campus residence that assistsstudents in personal growth. The Universitybelieves that residential living contributessignificantly to the development of the totalperson and his or her persistence in postsecondary studies. To enhance theaccomplishment of its mission “to develop godlyChristian leaders,” the University requires that allfull-time (12 or more sem. hrs.) students live oncampus for their first two years or until third yearstanding of at least 57 sem. hrs. is achieved.Automatic exceptions to this policy will apply toanyone who is: married, living with parent(s)/legal guardian, at least 21 years of age, or enrolledin part-time studies (11 sem. hrs. or less). Appealsfor circumstances not mentioned in the previousexceptions may be submitted in writing to theCampus Service Centre no later than July 1 (forthe fall semester) and November 1 (for the springsemester). Until an appeal is granted, the residencerequirement remains in effect. Students livingoutside TWU’s residence requirement will be seenas not fulfilling the requirements of enrolment andmay be required to deregister from the University.Types of StudentsCanadian StudentsBritish ColumbiaGraduation from a British Columbia secondary(high) school or equivalent with a universitypreparatory program. This must include English12 plus three Grade 12 academic subjects from

the list below at a minimum overall average of 70per cent. Three academic Grade 11 courses (orequivalent) are also recommended including English11, not including physical and health education,career education, applied design, skills andtechnology, and religious studies courses. It isrecommended that one course in Grade 11 and onecourse in Grade 12 be a Math or Science.In addition to English 12, the program mustinclude at least three Grade 12 academic subjectsfrom the following list:Courses that fall under the BC Ministry ofEducation subject categories: Language Arts,Mathematics and Computation Science, SecondLanguages (including French Immersion) andSocial Studies are considered academic courses: English 12 or English First Peoples 12Composition 12Creative Writing 12Literary Studies 12New Media 12Spoken Language 12Calculus 12Geometry 12Pre-calculus 12Statistics 12Computer Science 12Foundations of Math 12Anatomy & Physiology 12Chemistry 12Environmental Science 12Geology 12Physics 12Specialized Science 1220th Century World History 12Asian Studies 12BC First Peoples 12Comparative Cultures 12Comparative World Religions 12Contemporary Indigenous Studies 12Human Geography 12Law Studies 12Philosophy 12Physical Geography 12Political Studies 12 Social Justice 12Urban Studies 12Psychology12Any Grade 12 Level Foreign LanguageAdvanced Placement (AP) courses (except Artor Music)International Baccalaureate courses (exceptArt, or Music, Extended Essay or Theory ofKnowledge)Alberta, Northwest Territories, andNunavutGraduation from a secondary (high) school orequivalent with a university preparatory program.This must include English 30 plus three academicThree academic Grade 11 courses (or equivalent) arealso recommended including English 11, notincluding physical and health education, careereducation, applied design, skills and technology, andreligious studies courses. It is recommended thatone course in Grade 11 and one course in Grade 12be a Math or Science.In addition to English 12 (or equivalent), theprogram must include at least three Grade 12academic subjects from the following list: Aboriginal Studies 30-1Algebra 30 -1Biology 30Chemistry 30Foreign Languages at the 30 levelMath 30-1Math 30-2Math 31Physics 30-1Science 30Social Studies 30 -1Western World History 30World Geography 30Advanced Placement (AP) courses except forArt or MusicInternational Baccalaureate courses (exceptArt and Music, Theory of Knowledge andExtended Essay).SaskatchewanGraduation from a secondary (high) school orequivalent with a university preparatoryprogram. This must include English A30 plus

three academic 30 level subjects with an averageof 70 per cent. Three academic Grade 11 courses(or equivalent) are also recommended includingEnglish 11, not including physical and healtheducation, career education, applied design, skillsand technology, and religious studies courses. It isrecommended that one course in Grade 11 and onecourse in Grade 12 be a Math or Science.In addition to English 12 (or equivalent), theprogram must include at least three Grade 12academic subjects from the following list: Algebra 30Biology 30Biology 30 CORECalculus 30Chemistry 30Cree 30French 30Geography 30Geology 30Geometry-Trigonometry 30History 30Math 30Math A30Math B30Math C30Native Studies 30Physics 30Social Studies 30Advanced Placement (AP) courses except Artor MusicInternational Baccalaureate courses (exceptArt and Music, Theory of Knowledge andExtended Essay).ManitobaGraduation from a secondary (high) school orequivalent with a university preparatory program.This must include English 40S plus threeacademic 40 level subjects with an average of 70per cent. Three academic Grade 11 courses (orequivalent) are also recommended including English11, not including physical and health education,career education, applied design, skills andtechnology, and religious studies courses. It isrecommended that one course in Grade 11 and onecourse in Grade 12 be a Math or Science.In addition to English 12 (or equivalent), theprogram must include at least three Grade 12academic subjects from the following list: Applied Math 40SBiology 40SChemistry 40SFrench 40SGeography 40SHistory 40SLaw 40SMath 40SPhysical Science 40SPhysics 40SPre-Calculus Math 40SPsychology 40SWestern Civilization 40SWorld Geography 40SWorld Issues 40SAdvanced Placement (AP) courses (except Artor Music)International Baccalaureate courses (exceptArt and Music, Theory of Knowledge andExtended Essay)OntarioStudents graduating from the Ontario HighSchool curriculum must successfully complete anOntario Secondary School Diploma (OSSD) orequivalent, with an overall minimum average of 70per cent in six Grade 12 U or M courses, one ofwhich must be Grade 12 U English. Threeacademic Grade 11 courses (or equivalent) are alsorecommended including English 11, not includingphysical and health education, career education,applied design, skills and technology, and religiousstudies courses. It is recommended that onecourse in Grade 11 be a Math or Science. Inaddition to English, Grade 12 U or M coursesmust be from the following areas:Geography Canadian and World Issues: A GeographicAnalysis (CGW4U) World Geography: Human Patterns andInteractions (CGU4U) The Environment and Resource Management(CGR4M)

Geomatics: Geotechnologies in Action(GO4M)QuebecHistory Canada: History, Identity, and Culture(CGI4U) World History: The West and the World(CGY4U)Politics Canadian and World Politics (CPW4U) Analyzing Current Economic Issues (CIA4U) Canadian and International Law (CLN4U)English English (ENG4U) Studies in Literature (ETS4U) The Writer’s Craft (EWC4U)Languages Any foreign language at the U levelMath Geometry and Discrete Mathematics(MGA4U) Advanced Functions and IntroductoryCalculus (MCB4U) Mathematics and Data Management(MDM4U)Native Studies Issues of Indigenous Peoples in a GlobalContext (NDW4M) Aboriginal Governance: Emerging Directions(NDG4M)Science Science 12 (SNC4M) Biology (SBI4U) Chemistry (SCH4U) Earth and Space Science (SES4U) Physics (SPH4U)Philosophy Philosophy: Questions and Theories(HZT4U)Religion Religious Education (HRE4M) (HRE4M oran equivalent may be used as part of theadmission decision, but it will not counttowards the four required academic subjects.)Students are required to complete at least one yearin a CEGEP academic diploma program. Thismust include 12 academic courses with at leastone English and an additional English or Frenchcourse with a minimum overall average of 70%.Students who have completed a two-year CEGEPprogram may be eligible for transfer credit up to amaximum of 30 semester hours (credits). Aminimum grade of 70% must be achieved for acourse to be considered for transfer credit. Threeacademic Grade 11 courses (or equivalent) are alsorecommended including English 11, not includingphysical and health education, career education,applied design, skills and technology, and religiousstudies courses. It is recommended that onecourse in Grade 11 and one course in Grade 12 bea Math or Science.New BrunswickGraduation from an accredited high school with aminimum average of 70 per cent in English 12 (orequivalent) , plus four academic subjects from auniversity preparatory program (120,121 or 122).Three academic Grade 11 courses (or equivalent) arealso recommended including English 11, notincluding physical and health education, careereducation, applied design, skills and technology, andreligious studies courses. It is recommended thatone course in Grade 11 and one course in Grade 12be a Math or Science.In addition to English 12 (or equivalent), theprogram must include at least four academic subjectsfrom the following list: Adv. Math 120Adv. Math 122American History 120Biology 122Calculus 120Canadian Geography 120Canadian History 121 or 122Canadian Literature 120Chemistry 122French 121, 122Mathematics 121 or 122

Modern European History 120Native Studies 120Physics 122Political Science 12020th Century LiteratureAdvanced Placement (AP) courses (except Artor Music)International Baccalaureate courses (exceptArt and Music, Theory of Knowledge orExtended Essay)Nova ScotiaGraduation from an accredited high school with aminimum average of 70 per cent in English 12plus four University Preparatory or AcademicAdvanced Grade 12 subjects from the following list.Three academic Grade 11 courses (or equivalent) arealso recommended including English 11, notincluding physical and health education, careereducation, applied design, skills and technology, andreligious studies courses. It is recommended thatone course in Grade 11 and one course in Grade 12be a Math or Science.In addition to English 12, the program mustinclude at least four academic subjects from thefollowing list: Biology 12 (441, 541)Canadian Literature 12Canadian Geology 12Chemistry 12 (441, 541)Etude Plan. Geog 12Foreign Languages 12Geography 12Global Geography 12Global History 12History 12IMath 12 (441, 541)Math Pre-Cal (MPC) 12Physics 12 (441, 541)Political Science 12Sociology 12Advanced Placement (AP) courses (except Artor Music)International Baccalaureate courses (exceptArt and Music, Theory of Knowledge andExtended Essay.Prince Edward IslandStudents are required to graduate with a PEISecondary School diploma with an overall averageof 70 per cent. Program must include English 621or 611 plus four academic subjects numbered6121 or 621 from the following list. Threeacademic Grade 11 courses (or equivalent) are alsorecommended including English 11, not includingphysical and health education, career education,applied design, skills and technology, and religiousstudies courses. It is recommended that one coursein Grade 11 and one course in Grade 12 be a Mathor Science.In addition to English 12 (or equivalent), theprogram must include at least four academicsubjects from the following list: Biology 621Chemistry 621French 621Geography 621History 621Mathematics 611 or 621Oceanography 621Physics 621Advanced Placement (AP) courses (except Artor Music)International Baccalaureate courses (exceptArt and Music, Theory of Knowledge andExtended Essay)Newfoundland and LabradorGraduation from an accredited high school withLanguage 3101 plus three academic 3000 levelsubjects with a minimum average of 70 per centfrom the following list. Three academic Grade 11courses (or equivalent) are also recommendedincluding English 11, not including physical andhealth education, career education, applied design,skills and technology, and religious studies courses.It is recommended that one course in Grade 11 andone course in Grade 12 be a Math or Science.In addition to English 12 (or equivalent), theprogram must include at least three academicsubjects from the following list: Biology 3201Biologie 3231

Chemistry 3202Chimie 3252French (core) 3201French (accel) 3203French (immer) 3202Français (1st lang) 3230Geographie 3232Global Issues 3205History 3201Histoire Mondiale 3231Literary Heritage 3202Thematic Lit 3201Math (acad) 3200Math (adv) 3201, 3204, 3205, or 3207Physics 3204Physique 3254World Geography 3202Advanced Placement (AP) courses (except Artor Music)International Baccalaureate courses (exceptArt and Music)International Baccalaureate (IB)DiplomaStudents who are in the process of completing theIB Diploma will be considered for admission tothe University based on their predicted grades. Aminimum total score of 24 points, including theExtended Essay and Theory of Knowledge, willbe required for general admission to theUniversity. A higher score may be required foradmission to the School of Nursing program,specifically in program prerequisites. TWUrequires that students submit the following items,signed, stamped, and sealed by their high schoolcounsellor: the Anticipated IB Grades Form (available attwu.ca/undergraduate); an official high school transcript showingcourses completed and grades attained forGrades 9 to 11; an official interim high school transcript thatshows all other courses in progress(including IB courses).In addition, upon completion of the IB Diploma,a final transcript will be required to complete theoffer of admission and assessment of universitycredit for the IB Diploma courses.Students completing the IB Diploma may beconsidered for financial aid based on theirpredicted grades. Refer to Financial Aid &Awards for details.IB Certificate CoursesStudents completing one or more Certificatecourses will be evaluated for admission based ontheir interim high school and IB Certificate grades.Predicted grades must be submitted in the samemanner as those students completing the IBDiploma. Students’ predicted grades will beconverted to a percentage based on the chartbelow (for Certificate courses only).IB Certificate Converted to Percentage796 per cent690 per cent586 per cent476 per cent370 per cent264 per centUniversity Credit for IB Diploma andCertificate CoursesIB courses taken at the higher level will beconsidered for transfer credit, provided thestudent has received a minimum grade of 4 foreach course submitted. An IB transcript isrequired to make this assessment. A guide of IBcourses to TWU is available at BC TransferGuide.Advanced PlacementAdvanced Placement courses will be consideredfor transfer credit provided the student hasreceived a minimum grade of 4 for each coursesubmitted. An Advanced Placement grade reportis required to make this assessment. A guide of APcourses that transfer to TWU is available atBC Transfer Guide.

Homeschool PolicyStudents who complete their secondary educationthrough homeschooling must complete the regularapplication for admission and submit academicrecords of all high school work completed.Students completing their studies under thesupervision of an accredited school/organizationwill be assessed using admissions policies for theprovince in which they are studying (see provincialadmission requirements for full details.)Students who do not follow the provincialgraduation program, or who are not studyingunder the supervision of an accreditedschool/organization will be assessed on additionalacademic course work meeting provincialrequirements and standardized testing in theforms of one of the following: English 12 withProvincial Exam (or equivalent) meetingadmission requirements, CAEL exam (minimumscore of 70), SAT/ACT/CLT score, or 27 cr.Post-secondary coursework.General Education Development(GED)Students who do not complete a regular provincialhigh school diploma may complete a Test ofGeneral Education Development as an alternativeto high school graduation. Admission to TrinityWestern will be granted providing a standardscore average of 500 is achieved with a minimumof 450 in any of the five individual tests. Eligibilityto complete the GED may vary from province toprovince. Students are encouraged to contact theirlocal school board for more information.B.C. Adult Graduation Diploma (BCAGD)Applicants who have completed the AdultGraduation Diploma will be considered foradmission provided they are at least 19 years oldand have completed the Diploma with fourprovincial level academic courses, one of whichmust be English. A minimum average of 70 percent is required in these courses.International StudentsRequirements for international students include: English language proficiency. There are eightways to meet this requirement, found here:International Students Proof of high school graduation; andSpecific high school course and GPArequirements, which vary by country.Contact the Admissions Department for countryspecific entrance requirements.DocumentsOfficial supporting documentation must besubmitted. Documents become the property ofTWU and cannot be returned.English Proficiency RequirementApplicants must possess proficiency in both oraland written academic English. Those applicantswhose native language is not English are requiredto demonstrate this proficiency regardless of theiracademic qualifications. TWU accepts officialoriginal results from TOEFL, IELTS, CAEL,Duolingo English Test,. These results must besubmitted at the time of application. Applicantsmay also complete the academic TWU/ESLprogram (see Academic ESL Requirements). Aswell, students must complete WRTG 101 andENGL 101 in their first year of full-time study atTrinity Western University.Proof of English language proficiency is requiredfrom all international students with the exceptionof natives of the following countries (for whomEnglish is their first language): Australia Ireland New Zealand United States United Kingdom Jamaica Hispaniola Anguilla Saint Kitts and Nevis Antigua Barbuda Montserrat Guadeloupe Dominica Saint Vincent and Barbados Grenada Aruba Curacao Bonaire

TrinidadTobagoBahamas and BermudaCaicos and TurksAs an international student, WRTG 101 will berequired in the first semester of studies.Regular admission requires an official TOEFLscore of at least 88 (Internet-based with aminimum score of 21 in each of the 4 areas and aTest of Written English (TWE) score of at least 5for undergraduate admissions. For moreinformation about TOEFL examinations, pleasecontact:Educational Testing ServiceBox 899 Princeton, New Jersey USA 08541Tel: 609.771.7100Website: toefl.orgTo send TOEFL results directly to TrinityWestern University and receive them morequickly, students should use code 0876.IELTS RequirementTrinity Western University will accept theInternational English Language Testing System(IELTS) score report as an alternative to TOEFL.A minimum score of 6.5 (with 6 on the WritingBand) is required for undergraduate admission.For more information on the IELTS test, visitielts.org.CAEL RequirementTrinity Western University accepts the CanadianEnglish4Mathematics3Social Sciences2Science2 (with one lab science)Other college prep2Academic English Language score as analternative to the TOEFL or IELTS. A minimumoverall score of 70 is required for admission, withno section score lower than 60 for undergraduateadmissions. For more information on the CAELtest, go to cael.ca.Duolingo English Test RequirementThe Duolingo English Test is an online Englishproficiency test that can be taken online and ondemand. Certified results are available within 48hours of the test session. A minimum score 110(with 95 on the Literacy) is required foradmissions.Immigration RequirementsInternational students need to apply for an entryvisa and a study permit with the CanadianEmbassy, High Commission, or Consulate in theirown country. Application for a visa and studypermit should be made as early as possible toensure sufficient time for processing.For more information, nal Transfer CreditEvaluationsTransfer credit from international schools mayneed to be assessed by an external internationalcredit evaluation agency. All transcripts sent to aninternational credit evaluation agency must beofficial documents. International evaluationreports that are based on unofficial transcripts willnot be accepted for transfer credit. To avoiddelays in receiving transfer credit, students shouldsubmit an international credit evaluation reportduring the admission process. along withtranslated syllabi to be evaluated. The cost isdetermined by the agency. TWU recommends theInternational Credent

importance to associated staff and faculty of TWU and procedures and protocol are in place to support this. Academic Success For academic success at Trinity Western University, students must take the appropriate background courses for their intended major or admission to the program may be deferred. Contact the Admissions Office for more